Ivan,
I would tend to agree with you that the "bean counters" have had
their sway in the recent past. But there are signs that this is
beginning to change. How fast that change will occur is anyone's guess.
I just had a discussion with a recruiter Tuesday for a local company
that is looking to hire a DAB because their ending an outsourcing
contract with an Indian firm and have to relocate their database back to
the USA. Why was not stated, but given that it was a Bio-Tech firm
security of the data may have had a large part to play. Don't forget,
the greater the distance between you and your database the less secure
it is.
-----Original Message-----
From: Krnic Ivan B.
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x59180734.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:53 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
Dick, you are bringing up valid, logical points.
They make sense to me. However, the people that
swing the axe, are generally non-technical. They
simply don't now what we do, or how important we
are to bottom line. All they see are the $$$$ signs,
and will stop at nothing to save few for the "shareholders"...
These people think that just about anybody can do what
we do.
Regards,
Ivan
-----Original Message-----
From: Goulet Dick
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x3554684.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:23 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
Ivan,
You are most welcome to your opinion, clearly we all have them.
But may I disagree with you? The days of the DBA are not dying,
although the job is morphing from what we consider the traditional DBA.
A recent study, now don't quote me as I'm working from memory here, by
the Meta Group states that 90% of the outsourcing failures are due to
insufficient technical competency at the home location. Putting that
into English states that not having a DBA and developer at the local
office is causing outsourcing agreements to fail when things go wrong.
Outsourcers tend to try to minimize their costs by implementing RAC and
massive databases where your companies data is just a schema in their
database. Not having local talent that understands the implications of
those actions can be castrophic. So what does that mean to us DBA's?
Our role in the enterprise is changing from a database manager to a
manager of contractors. Also the use of regional or departmental
database is rising, once again, which causes a further need for local
talent. Cheer up, the screw is still turning!!
BTW: One outside, and off topic sort of, note from Public Radio is that
many manufacturing jobs migrated to Mexico some years ago due to the
cheaper labor pool there. Since that time workers there have learned
from their outsourced American brothers and formed unions, etc...
driving up the cost of labor. Therefore the jobs are once again
migrating to China or surprisingly back home. Seems that some in
Corporate America believe it is better to pay the higher costs of labor
at home vs. the constantly changing conditions, and migration costs,
abroad. As the economist who participated in the report put it, "It's
nice to say I told you so." Could a similar occurrence happen in IT,
why not!! (Yes I am the eternal optimist.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Krnic Ivan B.
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x41701711.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:58 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
The days of DBAs are numbered...
Jobs are going to the lowest bidder (overseas),
while older guys are retiring.
To make the matter worse, in the near future vendors
will provide their own DBA service, in person, and
in sophisticated software that can do most of day-to-day
tasks. If I were younger, I would stay clear not only of DBA
work, but clear of I.T. in general.
I would chose career that allows working with people directly.
This can never be outsourced.
Sorry if I sound like a downer. It's just my opinion.
Ivan
-----Original Message-----
From: McNeer Mike
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x37524039.[Email address protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:29 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
It all depends on where you are located. I am DB2/Sybase/Sql Server. The
Oracle guys make a heeluva a lot more money than I do. Where I am at
Oracle makes top dollar with more positions available. Sql Server has
more positions and but I believe the pay will only go lower. There are
hardly any Db2 jobs in this area but I see plenty elsewhere. So it all
depends on your locale. I would recommend looking through a job search
engine in your area and see what prevails.
MM
-----Original Message-----
From: Lekharaju Ennam
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x28013339.[Email address protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:22 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
DB2 DBA get more money than Oracle or SQL Server or any RDBMS DBA
Lekharaju Ennam
Certified Oracle9i & DB2 UDB V8 DBA
-----Original Message-----
From: Chu Ping
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x16186577.[Email address protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:34 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
Is this a biased view? How about the salary difference?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lekharaju Ennam
[mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x19647153.[Email address protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:08 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: DBA Role
DB2 has demand than Oracle or SQL server in IT market, Oracle or SQL
Server training can get any corner of the street , but not DB2
Lekharaju Ennam
Certified Oracle9i & DB2 UDB V8 DBA
-----Original Message-----
From: jessica_l_bemis [mailto:db2udbdba-ezmlmshield-x50318122.[Email
address protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:00 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: DBA Role
I am currently looking into exploring other career paths within the IT
industry, specifically the DBA role. I am hoping that someone will be
able to provide some insight into the DBA role, for example, which is
the best path to go...DB2, Oracle, SQL, etc.? Are there any books you
can recommend? What is life like in the day and life of a DBA? What are
the different avenues available to a DBA? What certifications do
employers look for in a DBA?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Jessica
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