Matt's e-mail has just infuriated me on so many levels. Where to
begin...
1. The US (and its citizens) cannot be remotely classified as "the
problem" with India being a third-world nation. According to the CIA's
web site, India has a population of over 1.1 billion. How many of those
people do you think US companies are employing?? I doubt that all of
the US companies combined can employ even one hundredth of one percent
of India's population. It's a far stretch to say that the US is to
blame for India being a poor nation. The problem was there long before
the US showed up.
2. It is not the responsibility of the US to elevate every third-world
nation into a first-world nation. Any time we try to "help" another
country, we become hated by the rest of the world for butting our noses
in where they don't belong. And how is the US supposed to elevate the
living conditions of a country of 1.1 billion when we only have 300
million in this country?? We have enough problems in the US feeding our
poor and taking care of our sick. We certainly cannot "save" the rest
of the planet.
3. If Coca Cola is opening factories (in India) with poor work
environments, lousy dorms/housing, and poor wages, then the Indian
government should step in and enforce some minimum standards. The US
government doesn't have control over this...let alone the normal US
citizen (who has control over pretty much nothing in the grand scheme of
things). Last I knew, India was its own sovereign nation. It's not the
51st state in the US. If a foreign company opens a business/factory in
the US, our government ensures that they follow our minimum standard for
work conditions and wages.
4. Many US companies are sending jobs to India and opening factories
for the cheap labor. That is certainly not in dispute. What do you
think those companies will do if they have to pay near-US wages to the
Indian people? The companies will just bring the jobs back to the US.
Is that something that India wants? No US companies and no jobs from US
companies? You complain about being poor now...just imagine how much
poorer you'd be if the US companies pulled out entirely.
I certainly don't have anything against India or China (or any other
country). I would love for every third-world country to become a
first-world nation. And, even if it meant I would have to pay more for
just about everything made in India and China, I would certainly like to
see the Indian and Chinese people paid more money and given better
working/living conditions. However, I don't have time to become a
crusader championing the Indian workforce. I barely have enough time to
work my job and take care of my family.
So, fell free to blame the US companies for the poor working/living
conditions and wages in the very, very, very small percentage of the
Indian population. But, don't you dare go blaming the US for India
being a poor country.
Have a good weekend everyone,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ungaro Matt
[mailto:oracledba-ezmlmshield-x61062678.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:02 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: poor India
Wow, Andrew, what an enlightened view.
If you live in the United states, actually, you are the problem. The
US's
policies on trade have put countries like India behind in their attempt
to
become more than a third world state. This causes poverty. Any
sociologist
will tell you that in a poor society, much like poor areas of the inner
cities of the US, it is a biological instinct in times of strife to
reproduce
in order to makes sure the race will go on. Thus why impovershed
countries
also are overpopulated countries. If you think the plight of India is
the
fault of Indians, look into what Coca Cola is doing there. Look how
people
there are treated by American companies. Then look at your government
and ask
yourself if they're doing anything to help. We lie to ourselves all the
time
that we're so enlightened, and that we're so charitable, but in the end,
it's
our policies, and our desire to consume, that causes hardship and strife
across the world. We see developing countries not as a possible ally,
but as
a potential workforce. And the Indian government isn't safe from blame.
They
allow US companies to come in and do this to their people, because in
the end
it makes only them richer. China, same way. In China, if you want to
open a
factory, all you need is a briefcase filled with about $5000, and you'll
get
a full factory, staffed with employees, manufacturing machines, and
dormatories for the employees to live in. All this without having to go
through any kind of regulatory scrutiny when it comes to labor
practices,
manufacturing quality, and environmental impact. I know this from
personal
experience from a company I worked for.
And to those of you getting upset that we're not talking about Oracle,
Oracle
is NOT everything. Being a DBA doesn't mean you're only a DBA. We're
supposed
to be a loosely knit community on this list. That's what
telecommunications
are for. Frankly, if it weren't for people chatting back and forth in a
friendly fashion, I'd still be of the idea that all Oracle DBAs are
egotists,
elitists, and poor communicators.
Thank you, Jain Andrews, for the information. Thank you to anyone who
tries
to be friendly, and thank you especially to Ed, for the "Coke", the "Red
Stripe", and my question every Friday to make sure my mind is at least
as
sharp as a butterknife. You were, however, going to go for an extra
credit
question this week.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Doyal Andrew
[mailto:oracledba-ezmlmshield-x93860865.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:56 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: poor India
So what have we learned today?
1. Citizens of India spend too much time having unprotected sex, making
too
many babies they can't afford, spreading diseases they can't cure, and
not
taking care of the citizens it already has.
2. In all of this ridiculous rambling, they still find it necessary to
whine
about their lives.
3. 5,392 babies were born in India without proper medical attention,
nutrition, or any sense of purpose in this world...while you were
reading
this.
Did you know that 87% of all recited facts are made up on the spot? I
just
made that up.
Andrew Doyal
Senior Database Administrator
doyal-[Email address protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrews Jain
[mailto:oracledba-ezmlmshield-x31992236.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:24 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: poor India
It has the highest concentration of poverty anywhere in the world with
about
350 million people (2006 figures) living below the poverty line.
The country accounts for 40 per cent of the world's poor and its social
indicators are still poor my most measures of human development. At 9.6
per
cent of GDP, its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world.
* More than half of all children under the age of four are
malnourished and 30 percent of newborns are significantly underweight.
* India adds 16 million people every year to its population, just
two million less than the entire population of Australia*
* Every day, it adds 42434 to the country's population.
* 60 per cent of the women are anemic*
* More women than men die before the age of 35
* Maternal deaths in India account for almost 25 percent of the
world's childbirth-related deaths.
* More than half of Indian women are illiterate.
* Maternal mortality rate in India is 100 times more than in the
developed world.
* India has the largest remaining pool of polio transmission in
the world.
* No. of people in India living with HIV : Over 6 million (2006)
* In India, it is estimated that about 350-400 million are below
the poverty line, 75 per cent of them in the rural areas.
* More than 40 per cent of the population is illiterate, with
women, tribal and scheduled castes particularly affected.
The main causes of poverty are illiteracy, a population growth rate by
far
exceeding the economic growth rate for the better part of the past 50
years,
protectionist policies pursued since 1947 to 1991 which prevented large
amounts of foreign investment in the country.
Poverty
* Number of people living Below the Poverty Line : Above 300 mn
Rural Areas : 27.09% Urban Areas : 23.62%
A LARGE proportion - 26 per cent or about 260 million (193 million in
rural
areas and 67 million in urban areas) - of Indians are still below the
poverty
line, according to India's first Social Development Report released in
New
Delhi on last Friday. There is huge disparity among the social classes
with
the percentage of the poor among the Scheduled Tribes being 43.8 per
cent,
Scheduled Castes 36.2 per cent, and Other Backward Classes 21 per cent.
-----Original Message-----
From: Edwards Ed
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:38 PM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: RE: poor India
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrews Jain
[mailto:oracledba-ezmlmshield-x82079811.[Email address protected]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:01 AM
To: LazyDBA Discussion
Subject: poor India
Edward,
Would you allow me to prove WHY I AM A POOR INDIAN
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